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Post  Admin on Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:37 pm

Vincent,

I believe you already know about the resignation of Thomas Petersen from the FISTF Board.
At this moment, this Board is collapsing very quickly.
I know we had a private talk last Thursday about this but now the situation is getting worse and a solution must be found with maximum urgency.

As you know all other board members are not happy with you and WASPA.
We all feel that you are not doing properly your job as FISTF General Secretary like we all agreed by accepting the FISTF protocol.
FISTF must have an active and strong General Secretary, working side by side with all the departments and after 2 months we have not what we expect.

By other hand, WASPA is a big problem for the FISTF at this moment.
You refused to accept WASPA circuit under the FISTF banner and this is not a good image for the FISTF, having one of the board members organizing a circuit parallel to FISTF.
Although it can be acceptable having such events in the nations which are not FISTF members, in the case of FISTF member nations this cannot be acceptable.
I proposed to you having special regulations for WASPA events under the FISTF banner but you didn't accept it.

At the moment, this situation is not bearable anymore by the other board members and this put the FISTF future and this Board in jeopardy.
I don't know if we can recover back Thomas but I don't want to lose any other board member due of lack of unity by one of his members.
Thus, after I have contacted the other board members and have received their replies, it is time for you to take a decision about your future in the FISTF BoD.

There is only 2 solutions:

Solution 1:
a) Accepting and respecting everything that the FISTF BoD decided or will decide, under all democratic rules.
b) Accepting WASPA under FISTF banner and propose proper regulations within 2 weeks.

Solution 2:
a) Presenting your resignation from the FISTF BoD.

Please think very well about this proposal and give us your final decision.
Next Thursday, we need to take a decision about the FISTF future on our skype meeting.

Cheers
Luís Filipe Horta
Unfortunately Solution 2 was the only option...

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Re: FISTF and WASPA

Post  von K. on Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:33 pm

O' dear. I don't know all the facts affecting this, but I have to say I'm very disappointed that there are people in the FISTF BoD who don't understand the significant differences between FISTF and WASPA.

I had hoped for something more from Luìs and his BoD. This is extremely disappointing stance against free amateur organisation of hobby tournaments. They have absolutely nothing to do with FISTF and take nothing away from FISTF. Naturally I don't know if Vincent didn't do his job in FISTF, but in his letter Luìs makes it clear that he has a problem with WASPA and doesn't understand what it's all about. And this is really sad. It never seizes to amaze how small-minded people are in TF. Shocked

So I applaud your decision, Vincent.

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Re: FISTF and WASPA

Post  Admin on Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:20 am

I know it's not very fair to publish letters on a forum but I just can't accept to be the toy of somebody who is using blackmail in order to destroy the work of other people. My idea of "amateur circuit" under FISTF or in the national associations is not something new. I got it in my mind for about 10 years but I never had the support of the other FISTF Board members and the national associations (I remember when I proposed to create Satellites, Challengers and Futures, even Belgium voted against it). Now that WASPA is developping with more than 120 tournaments played in less than 2 years, I should just leave the project to FISTF and people who are unable to concentrate on the real problems of table football? Sorry but no way...

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Re: FISTF and WASPA

Post  Lorenzo on Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:48 pm

The war of the buttons' war of the buttons What a Face

"The most persistent sound which reverberates through man's history is the beating of war
drums" - Arthur Koestler
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Re: FISTF and WASPA

Post  von K. on Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:38 pm

So, do you now consider every post on a forum your beloved "war of the buttons"? Even if I did understand (but didn't agree on) your comments about a war a year or two ago, I fail to see which part of this topic is "war of the buttons". I see just an announcement, then a generally disappointed comment and then added background to the announcement.

Did I miss something?

Just curious... scratch

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Re: FISTF and WASPA

Post  Lorenzo on Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:10 pm

Just meaning that childlike strife and pointless dissension are the breeding ground of humanity, Vesa my friend... and even that TS players have a distinctive knack at it Evil or Very Mad
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Re: FISTF and WASPA

Post  von K. on Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:49 pm

Lorenzo wrote:Just meaning that childlike strife and pointless dissension are the breeding ground of humanity, Vesa my friend... and even that TS players have a distinctive knack at it Evil or Very Mad

Ok. Can't argue with that. Although I should, to prove the point Very Happy And TS people really seem to be even more naturally talented at that than most.

To be honest it can be quite hard to make the difference between pointless and necessary discussion and argumentation. Quite often good discussions about important things develop into stupid arguments about minor things that barely have anything to do with the starting point. And the thin line is often marked in water, and it's diffcult for anyone to step out at the right moment, because too soon is as bad as too late.

I do feel most conversations in TS are useful when they begin. But too many turn into useless in the process. It's also a question of modern times, when anyone can discuss, even people without the skill to do it properly (nothing bad intended towards anyone with this comment, it just is so, and thus justifies Lorenzo's war of the buttons term), who just create unnecessary confrontations without any logic.

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Re: FISTF and WASPA

Post  Lorenzo on Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:05 pm

There exists no greater or more painful anxiety for a
man who has freed himself from all religious bias, than how he
shall soonest find a new object or idea to worship. But man seeks
to bow before that only which is recognized by the greater
majority, if not by all his fellow-men, as having a right to be
worshipped; whose rights are so unquestionable that men agree
unanimously to bow down to it. For the chief concern of these
miserable creatures is not to find and worship the idol of their
own choice, but to discover that which all others will believe
in, and consent to bow down to in a mass. It is that instinctive
need of having a worship in common that is the chief suffering of
every man, the chief concern of mankind from the beginning of
times. It is for that universality of religious worship that
people slaughtered each other by sword. Creating gods unto
themselves, they forwith began appealing to each other: "Abandon
your deities, come and bow down to ours, or death to ye and your
idols!" And so will they do till the end of this world; they will
do so even then, when all the gods themselves have disappeared,
for then men will prostrate themselves before and worship profane
idols.

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Re: FISTF and WASPA

Post  Admin on Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:37 pm

That people agree about the fact I put the letter on a forum or not, I don't really care. I think people have the right to know what's going on. At least I am happy not to be in the FISTF Board anymore, in particular when I see some very stange decisions, I can say I have not responsability anymore Very Happy

As a WASPA organizer, I also put a notice on the WASPA blog & Facebook page. You can see the text here: http://waspa-circuit.blogspot.be/2013/04/important-notice-about-future-of-waspa.html

I was happy to have a huge positive feedback. The rest doesn't count Cool

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