Letter of the Hellenic B.O.D to Fistf and to all the subbuteo world

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Letter of the Hellenic B.O.D to Fistf and to all the subbuteo world

Post  The Rock on Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:59 am


Piraeus 17 of February 2012

REF Num.: 108/17/02/2012

Subject : WORLD CUP 2012 and the consequences of cancellation.

TO: - BoD of FISTF
- BoD of Members of FISTF (Associations)
- Clubs
- Players


Dear All
Herewith we would like to disclose the position of the Greek Federation and the economic damage suffered by the cancellation of the World Cup of 2012 in Athens.
Honorable sirs of the BoD of FISTF, BoD of Members of FISTF (Associations), Clubs and dear friends players.
As we all know a year ago Greece undertook the conduct of WC of 2012. It was an attempt by the Greek Federation which began in 2009 after submitting the necessary documentation for the WC of 2010! At that time, the President of FISTF decided to award it to Germany that presented the same plan as the one included in the Greek folder with the only change, the signature of the German President…
On the following year, the Greek Federation submits again the proper documentation for the WC of 2011 to the, at that time, BoD of FISTF wins and gets the approval to begin the preparations of hosting the event. The most important of these preparations was the order and purchase of 51 new tables from Italy and specifically from the company of Astrobase (Mr.Tecchiati) of the total cost of 25.000 €!
After the WC of 2010 in Rain though, we were persistently asked by our friends of the Italian Federation, to hand over this event to them for 2011! After careful consideration and good faith we eventually decided to give in and hand over the event and so for the second consecutive time, without causing any problems and despite the undertaken costs the Greek Federation did not host the WC ....!!!

After the elections of February 2011 in Madrid though, we were persistently asked by our friends of the Italian Federation, to hand over the event Champions and Europa League of 2012 to another city for 2011 because we cannot have in the same country two big events in the same year! After careful consideration and good faith (AGAIN) we eventually decided to give in and hand over the event and so for the third consecutive time, without causing any problems and despite the undertaken costs the Greek Federation did not host the CL and EL ....!!!

Coming up to the present…..
All of a sudden, without any proper reason and cause the BoD of FISTF decides once again, without even informing or consulting the Vise President Mr. Koutroumanos, to move the event of the WC from Greece to England. We want simply to remind and stress the point that the last 2 years with the wc attended at Germany and Italy the briefing and the information given (web sites etc) started on april.
This time obviously the reason is no other than the upcoming agreement of BoD of FISTF of a sponsorship and the amount of money FISTF will receive.
We eventually derive to this conclusion as until few weeks ago we were assured that there is no other candidacies but just a ‘tendency’ from some that are willing to bear the burden of such an event….
We have to stress that this behavior is the least unacceptable when it comes to Federations!
In order to clarify things, we have no problem whatsoever in getting sponsorships and incoming profits for FISTF but not to benefit and get profits for certain individuals.
Our main concern was, is and always will be the the CREDIBILITY and RESPECT of the BoD of FISTF not only to our Federation and the Greek athletes but also all federations and athletes of our sport in general.
The BoD of FISTF disregards the efforts of the Greek athletes, the costs that the Greek Federation had been made the last 2 years for equipment, new tables as well as other expenses that had incurred during this year to host the WC of 2012.
Furthermore, The BoD of FISTF does not take into consideration the extra costs that the Greek National team athletes are imposed to make who from the beginning of the year knew that THIS YEAR IN GREECE WILL BE HELD THE WC of 2012.

Having examined all the above actions of FISTF that:
- imposed us for 2 years in numerous expenses by handling to us the WC and then cancelling it
- Does not respect and values the significance of their signatures
- Kept lying to us for the reasons that wanted to organize the WC of 2012 in another country till the last moment, as it was clear that wanted to make a profit from it.

We rightfully ask for the following:

• 3.500 €, are the total expenses that we have done for the preparation of the organization of the WC of 2012 until the day you cancelled it. Specifically: 500 € for the Domain Name and Hosting, 1.500 € deposit for the construction of an interactive web site (with contract), 1.500 € deposit to a company for finding sponsors (with contract). All these amounts unfortunately will be lost and must now somehow FISTF has to compensate us. Initially we proposed a solution to remove the debt to the Greek Federation FISTF which is 537 € until today. The remaining amount should be implicitly agreed


• To travel to Manchester on CURRENT RATES, the Greek National Teams will have to pay 240 € airfare and at least 120 € for three days stay, 360 € TOTAL on CURRENT RATES. Estimating that it will come: 6 veterans, 6 OPEN, 2 U-19, 4 U-15, 4 U-12 AND 8 parents of young players small, we have a total of 30 people of 360 € = 10.800 €! For these costs we demand an immediate reply of the amount you are willing to cover, since several sponsors have been found by FISTF and should be no problem to compensate us!


We want and rightfully entitle to organize the WC of 2013, but we want a 5000€ advance payment after the end of the WC of 2012 in Manchester as:

• In 2008 in the French Federation were given 5000€ for the production and acquisition of new pitches

• In 2009 in the Holland Federation were given 3000€ for the production and acquisition of new pitches

• In 2010 in the German Federation were given 2000€ for hosting the W.C

• In 2010 in the Italian Federation were given 2000€ for hosting the W.C

Given the fact that we have spend already 25000€ for the acquisition of the best pitches we believe that we are entitled to get the above mentioned amount.

Finally, we believe that in order for the reputation and RELIABILITY OF FISTF to be restored but also to continue to trust one another as Federations and to proceed all together for the future wellbeing of our common sport
WE DEMAND
THE IMMEDIATE REPLY OF THE BOD OF FISTF FOR ALL THE ABOVE MATTERS
AS ALL THESE EXPENSES HAD ALREADY BEEN MADE (WITH ALL THE PROOF THAT ARE NEEDED, RECEITS ETC), AND ALSO ALL THE EXPENSES THAT WE ARE FORCED TO MAKE (COSTS FOR ATTENDING W.C. FOR NATIONAL TEAMS , ESPECIALLY FOR U-12 AND U-15 CATEGORIES.
Looking forward for your immediate reply

THE HELLENIC B.O.D.

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Post  Janus_Gersie on Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:12 pm

The Rock wrote:At that time, the President of FISTF decided to award it to Germany that presented the same plan as the one included in the Greek folder with the only change, the signature of the German President…

The first - and maybe not the last - comment about your letter: I have never seen the greek folder for 2010 in advance (even not afterwards). And to be honest: I don't need any external support to finalise an application for a WorldCup.
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Post  Janus_Gersie on Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:15 pm

The Rock wrote:• In 2010 in the German Federation were given 2000€ for hosting the W.C

This is simply not true .....
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Post  Admin on Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:45 pm

For 2007 (France) and for the Netherlands, it's also not true.
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Post  Heinz Eder on Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:36 pm

If I got the letter right, the actual greek board seems to be better informed about the payments for the World Cups of the last years.
8000 EUR for 2 World Cups Question

sorry, but that must be a joke, or I got something wrong in your letter, would be nice to get some kind of clearification pn those statements.

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