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junta in Greece
I receive this mail by Koutis Triantafyllou. They decided in argument with FISTF (stefano de francesco) and Koutroumanos to cancel the greek federation and to create another. They didn't ask the rest 150 greek players and the 12 clubs. They want all greek players to vote but they didn't ask the greek players. Congratulations.
the mail:
Gentlemen
As you all remember a few days ago we proposed to the leaders of the two opposite parties (kechris and koutroumanos) to reach to a compromise via patfap statutes and to have elections with all players.
Koutroumanos responded that this can be done in a ''legal'' way, only if every founding member of patfap (27) agrees to this solution. This could not proceed because two of the founding members desaggreed with this proposal.Then koutroumanos pointed that if no agreement is possible, then he will help us to built a new federation.
Kechris proposed that in order things to be done in a ''legal'' way, elections must be done only with the founding members. After that everybody can register to patfap and new elections can be done in a month. He wrote that he asked his lawyers. Koutromanos disagree to this proposal, because he said that the not founding members can only vote after one year. He stated that he asked his lwyers too.
We are not lawyers or judges so to know for sure what is right and what is wrong in this situation. And we don't want any more trouble with courts if we decide this or that.So in conclusion no compromise was made by kechris and koutroumanos to find a solution within patfap statutes. From this moment patfap is no longer the federation that represents Hellas to Fistf. Until elections will be made, we are going to supervise the remaining tournaments (national championship and major) in order not to have fights for who will be responsible for them (kechris or koutroumanos).
As fistf has proposed to us , a new federation (where all players listed in W.R of march will be able to elect and been elected) is going to be created. We expect kechris to help to this efford , like koutroumanos stated that he will. All procedures and elections will be finished before the end of june.All the club leaders will be officially informed ,in a short time, about the exact plan and the way the new federation will procceed (for elections and everything else). Before announcing the plan, all the club leaders will be asked to write down their opinions for the new federation and send them to us. Fistf will be informed for the plan's progress.
Be sure that we want the best for our sport.
Yours in sport
Konstantinos Triantafillou
the mail:
Gentlemen
As you all remember a few days ago we proposed to the leaders of the two opposite parties (kechris and koutroumanos) to reach to a compromise via patfap statutes and to have elections with all players.
Koutroumanos responded that this can be done in a ''legal'' way, only if every founding member of patfap (27) agrees to this solution. This could not proceed because two of the founding members desaggreed with this proposal.Then koutroumanos pointed that if no agreement is possible, then he will help us to built a new federation.
Kechris proposed that in order things to be done in a ''legal'' way, elections must be done only with the founding members. After that everybody can register to patfap and new elections can be done in a month. He wrote that he asked his lawyers. Koutromanos disagree to this proposal, because he said that the not founding members can only vote after one year. He stated that he asked his lwyers too.
We are not lawyers or judges so to know for sure what is right and what is wrong in this situation. And we don't want any more trouble with courts if we decide this or that.So in conclusion no compromise was made by kechris and koutroumanos to find a solution within patfap statutes. From this moment patfap is no longer the federation that represents Hellas to Fistf. Until elections will be made, we are going to supervise the remaining tournaments (national championship and major) in order not to have fights for who will be responsible for them (kechris or koutroumanos).
As fistf has proposed to us , a new federation (where all players listed in W.R of march will be able to elect and been elected) is going to be created. We expect kechris to help to this efford , like koutroumanos stated that he will. All procedures and elections will be finished before the end of june.All the club leaders will be officially informed ,in a short time, about the exact plan and the way the new federation will procceed (for elections and everything else). Before announcing the plan, all the club leaders will be asked to write down their opinions for the new federation and send them to us. Fistf will be informed for the plan's progress.
Be sure that we want the best for our sport.
Yours in sport
Konstantinos Triantafillou

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Re: junta in Greece
What I really don't understand (as a "connoisseur" of the whole hellas matter) is WHY the new board interfered right now ? It makes no sense at this stage as a court decision exists which shows the way to continue ... Interfering will destroy more than develop. Is it a tactical game ? Is it just stupidity ?
If it is a tactical game: what kind of output can be expected ? Who will be supported and why ? What happens if the planned output won't be reached ?
If it is stupidity: GOOD LUCK for the rest tenure of office.
If it is a tactical game: what kind of output can be expected ? Who will be supported and why ? What happens if the planned output won't be reached ?
If it is stupidity: GOOD LUCK for the rest tenure of office.

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Re: junta in Greece
It would be a surprise to me if the next Greek president isn't Leonidas K or one of his friends.
Would it be possible that the Bod is allready thinking about votes for a next election?
I started thinking about that after they made Mike Burns part of that council thing, and now with the way they handle the Greek case i have the impression that the Bod doesn't like the idea if Kechris becoming president, they might loose a vote.
Well maybe i see ghosts
Would it be possible that the Bod is allready thinking about votes for a next election?
I started thinking about that after they made Mike Burns part of that council thing, and now with the way they handle the Greek case i have the impression that the Bod doesn't like the idea if Kechris becoming president, they might loose a vote.
Well maybe i see ghosts
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Re: junta in Greece
dromer wrote:
Well maybe i see ghosts
...or unpainted figures?
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Re: junta in Greece
'''''''''''''''''''They decided in argument with FISTF (stefano de francesco) and Koutroumanos''''''''''
Stefano and fistf has pointed that the first attemt would be a compromise via patfap's statutes. That was done but the two parties did't reach to a solution. It is unfortunate, but this is the parties responsibility and noone else's. As i had stated i don't care if we continue with patfap or with a new federation. I only want everyone to be able to vote and to stop the court fights.
''''''''''''''''''' to cancel the greek federation and to create another'''''''''''''''''
You and koutroumanos had plenty of opportunities to make a compromise in order patfap to continue to be the association that represents hellas to fistf. If someone destroyed patfap ,as you say, is you and koutromanos that you couldn,t find a solution.
'''''''''''''''' They didn't ask the rest 150 greek players and the 12 clubs. They want all greek players to vote but they didn't ask the greek players.''''''''''''''''
In this point the people who are at courts are you and koutroumanos. Even if every one else wanted to continue with patfap (which many of them they don,t) this could happen only if you and koutroumanos could make a compromise. You didn't, so the rest of the players could't help. You and koutroumanos fight at courts . Not the rest of the players.
"''''''''''''' Congratulations.'''''''''''''
Thanks but i believe that you have a big part of responsibillity in this situation. Not kostas, me , or anyone else
Stefano and fistf has pointed that the first attemt would be a compromise via patfap's statutes. That was done but the two parties did't reach to a solution. It is unfortunate, but this is the parties responsibility and noone else's. As i had stated i don't care if we continue with patfap or with a new federation. I only want everyone to be able to vote and to stop the court fights.
''''''''''''''''''' to cancel the greek federation and to create another'''''''''''''''''
You and koutroumanos had plenty of opportunities to make a compromise in order patfap to continue to be the association that represents hellas to fistf. If someone destroyed patfap ,as you say, is you and koutromanos that you couldn,t find a solution.
'''''''''''''''' They didn't ask the rest 150 greek players and the 12 clubs. They want all greek players to vote but they didn't ask the greek players.''''''''''''''''
In this point the people who are at courts are you and koutroumanos. Even if every one else wanted to continue with patfap (which many of them they don,t) this could happen only if you and koutroumanos could make a compromise. You didn't, so the rest of the players could't help. You and koutroumanos fight at courts . Not the rest of the players.
"''''''''''''' Congratulations.'''''''''''''
Thanks but i believe that you have a big part of responsibillity in this situation. Not kostas, me , or anyone else

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