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Post  Guest on Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:33 pm

The communication situation is no longer acceptable.

FISTF status (very bad) defends not want to work and can not throw them out.

The only solution is a new extraordinary congress. If posible for January.

Spain will launch this possibility at the end of the week.

Look for the signature of another 6 countries to convene an urgent, Congress and new elections as.

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Post  kechris on Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:03 pm

Piero the first who took the great decision.
Who will be the second?
Maybe the january the greece will have new representative.


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Post  Luis Filipe Horta on Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:08 pm

I agree that it's time to solve the current FISTF problems.
January is a good choice.
I sugested the same to the APS (portuguese association) BoD.

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Post  Thossa on Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:16 pm

No question...we are with you.
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Post  maxischn on Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:11 pm

Austria will sign the petition for an EGM
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Post  von K. on Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:42 pm

I'll recommend this to Finnish Board, to make it official. There's no doubt we're supporting this.

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Post  Janus_Gersie on Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:47 am

pierocapponi wrote:The communication situation is no longer acceptable.

FISTF status (very bad) defends not want to work and can not throw them out.

The only solution is a new extraordinary congress. If posible for January.

Spain will launch this possibility at the end of the week.

Look for the signature of another 6 countries to convene an urgent, Congress and new elections as.

Best regards.

Piero Capponi
President AFM Spain

Piero, sent you a PM !

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Post  von K. on Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:34 pm

pierocapponi wrote:
The only solution is a new extraordinary congress. If posible for January.

Spain will launch this possibility at the end of the week.

Any news about this? Is Spain doing this proposal, or not, Piero?

If not, then someone else must put the wheels in motion.

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Post  Luis Filipe Horta on Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:00 am

von K. wrote:
pierocapponi wrote:
The only solution is a new extraordinary congress. If posible for January.

Spain will launch this possibility at the end of the week.

Any news about this? Is Spain doing this proposal, or not, Piero?

If not, then someone else must put the wheels in motion.

Pacience come to the end.
What are you ALL waiting for ?

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Post  Guest on Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:59 pm

My initiative has triggered some interest and a certain REACTIONS that are particular to these days.

Maybe the document, if read as corect, you have the signature of almost every country.

Some people have asked me time and I'm waiting.

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Post  Admin on Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:23 pm

pierocapponi wrote:Some people have asked me time and I'm waiting.
???
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Post  Luis Filipe Horta on Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:19 pm

pierocapponi wrote:Some people have asked me time and I'm waiting.

FISTF has no more time for spent.
The future is now!

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Post  Martin Hodds on Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:27 pm

Still I read no actual plans from anyone though.

No proposed location for this EGM, no candidates, nobody committing they will travel to a meeting somewhere.

I can't speak for the English Association, only for myself. But if I see some good plans and ideas I would support those. So far nothing though, just EGM EGM EGM......

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Post  Admin on Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:31 pm

Do you think this situation is acceptable, Martin? One dictator and his good friends deciding everything without never consulting the nations?
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Post  Martin Hodds on Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:17 pm

SHOW ME ALTERNATIVE PLAN THEN ! Give me something else better to support !

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Post  von K. on Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:34 pm

Maybe the answer of Janus (previous page) has got something to do with the delay, too. Just speculation, of course.

But I really can't see the need for a delay, because the EGM takes a long time to be organised after the initial request.

February would probably be good for organising, because the court decision on the greek situation is expected in January (if I understand correctly).

Candidates will probably be announced when the decision to have an EGM is taken.

For me it's clear that it's most important to have a solution that cures the situation at the moment. It can be a solution for a shorter period (1 year maybe). At this moment in time, choosing 5-6 directors for the 4 years on the same bases as before, doesn't solve anything.

By the way, I read a good post by Lorenzo Papini about this in the italian forum. He thought that for this moment the FISTF does not need normal elections in the EGM, with opposing teams and persons, and after the vote the losing side starts to criticize again. It needs a decision based on consensus before the elections, with people from different "sides" (like north/south) involved. No wonder I liked the post...

What do you think about a solution based on thinking like this, Martin? (If there is interest, even I can make a plan and a system in detail, to explain the solution better. But only after I know there is some backing for this sort of solution, so I don't waste my time.)


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Post  Admin on Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:31 pm

Martin Hodds wrote:SHOW ME ALTERNATIVE PLAN THEN ! Give me something else better to support !
I don't follow you. Did you expect Germans in the late 30's to wait an alternative plan to what Adolf Hitler gave? I believe in some way they had no choice... Shocked
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Post  Martin Hodds on Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:53 pm

von K. wrote:By the way, I read a good post by Lorenzo Papini about this in the italian forum. He thought that for this moment the FISTF does not need normal elections in the EGM, with opposing teams and persons, and after the vote the losing side starts to criticize again. It needs a decision based on consensus before the elections, with people from different "sides" (like north/south) involved. No wonder I liked the post...

What do you think about a solution based on thinking like this, Martin?
This makes perfect sense, Vesa, though of course it does need some detail at some point. At least you seem to understand my point, that all this complaining with no actual solution is getting nowhere.

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Post  Martin Hodds on Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:02 am

Admin wrote:
Martin Hodds wrote:SHOW ME ALTERNATIVE PLAN THEN ! Give me something else better to support !
I don't follow you. Did you expect Germans in the late 30's to wait an alternative plan to what Adolf Hitler gave? I believe in some way they had no choice... Shocked

Everybody agrees FISTF is in a bad state. If this is to change, we need somebody with a plan, not just blah blah on a forum. Do you find this difficult to understand ??

I don't follow your post either, as the German people followed Hitler. Are you saying Catania is like Hitler, in which case we should do like Germans did and follow him ?? Or are you saying you are like Hitler and we should follow you ??
Either way I don't see Hitler is relevant.

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Post  Thossa on Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:33 am

We can not compare FISTF-situations with Mafia, Hitler or whatever is bad in world history. Stop those parables, please. That will get you nowhere.

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Martin Hodds wrote:SHOW ME ALTERNATIVE PLAN THEN ! Give me something else better to support !
I don't follow you. Did you expect Germans in the late 30's to wait an alternative plan to what Adolf Hitler gave? I believe in some way they had no choice... Shocked

Everybody agrees FISTF is in a bad state. If this is to change, we need somebody with a plan, not just blah blah on a forum. Do you find this difficult to understand ??

I don't follow your post either, as the German people followed Hitler. Are you saying Catania is like Hitler, in which case we should do like Germans did and follow him ?? Or are you saying you are like Hitler and we should follow you ??
Either way I don't see Hitler is relevant.
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Post  Martin Hodds on Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:14 am

Thossa wrote:We can not compare FISTF-situations with Mafia, Hitler or whatever is bad in world history. Stop those parables, please. That will get you nowhere.
Agreed, Thossa !

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Post  Admin on Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:24 am

All I want to say is that this guy needs to be stopped. You can't keep as president a guy who bans everyone who doesn't agree with him. We need democracy, not a one-man-show!
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Post  Thossa on Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:40 am

I know, mate Wink
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Post  Guest on Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:58 pm

In Italy this weekend playing the Coppa Italia.

These are the numbers that at all and the rest of the world could not match and playing together: Do not forget.


Proviamo a dare una prima idea semi-ufficiale dell'elenco iscrizioni alla Coppa Italia 2010

I numeri (impressionanti):

Squadre MASTER: 15
Squadre CADETTI: 27
Squadre U19: 9
Squadre PRIMAVERA: 9

Individuali MASTER: 40
Individuali CADETTI: 117
Individuali VETERAN: 45
Individuali U19: 19
Individuali U15: 25
Individuali U12: 19
Individuali DONNE: 8

Totale squadre: 60
Totale individuali: 273

Se si considerano coloro che giocano soltanto i tornei a squadre, gli atleti coinvolti superano ABBONDANTEMENTE le 300 unità...
Per avere un'idea, le camere già prenotate sono oltre 120...


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Post  von K. on Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:53 pm

pierocapponi wrote:In Italy this weekend playing the Coppa Italia.

These are the numbers that at all and the rest of the world could not match and playing together: Do not forget.

I don't think anyone is forgetting or denying that Italy is big. Italy is, of course, very important. But also in Italy there is a lot of diversity, and many important people also have different opinions on many important things.

I also don't see why having an EGM would mean forgetting Italy. To me Italy's opinion is extremely important. I also know that 2 internationally well known italians have been invited (through the FISCT I believe) to the Sports Commission by Olivier Pere, but for some reason neither one has become part of it. Olivier has also said it's very important in his opinion, to have italians in the Commission.

So, I don't quite see the point you are making, Piero. It's possible that the problem is also the language.

A shorter translation for Piero, to avoid misinterpretations:

È possibile che la problema è anche la lingua. Ma non ho capito perchè hai scritto questo messaggio. EGM non significa che i pensieri di italiani verranno dimenticato. 2 italiani sono invitato (attraverso FISCT) in Commissione Sportiva, ma non hanno partecipato (non so perchè). Pere ha detto che per lui è essenziale avere un'italiano in Commissione. Anche questo significa che l'importanza d'Italia non è dimenticato.

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